Before his spectacular suicide on New Year’s Day, Matthew Livelsberger sent an email to the Shawn Ryan Show podcast that put China in a special light.
It included the statement: “What we have been seeing with ‘drones’ is the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently China in the east coast, but throughout history, the US. Only we and China have this capability.
“China has been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up. As of now, it is just a show of force and they are using it similar to how they used the balloon for sigint [signals intelligence] and isr [intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance], which are also part of the integrated comms [communications] system. There are dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time.
“The so what is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned AC [aircraft], they are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the WH [White House] if they wanted. It’s checkmate. US needs to give the history of this, how we are employing it and weaponizing it, how China is employing them and what the way forward is. China is poised to attack anywhere in the east coast.”
How?
How would Livelsberger know these things?
“I have an active TS/SCI [a clearance above top secret] with UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomena] USAP [Special Access Program] access,” he wrote. This is interesting. The implication is that he learned things while in service, the alternative being that he picked them up from comrades or from Internet gossip.
The Internet-based Shawn Ryan Show deals with such topics as “military applications of the paranormal.” Livelsberger knew enough about the show to contact its hosts and may therefore have swum in these alternative-tech waters.
But a search for online discussion of antigravity Chinese aircraft yields a very shallow pool from June 2024. Generated from a single memo from someone (addressee unknown) at Zodiac Exotic Technology Evaluation Group referring to work by the Sichuan Zero Gravity Technology Co. Ltd “under which the PLA conducts research into NHI [non-human intelligence] propulsion systems.” The memo gives a name, redacted, of someone who has “provided detailed technical information, photographs and videos of 3 operational unmanned vehicles…which are currently undergoing analysis by [redacted] at Det 1 AFEREG [Detachment 1 of the Air Force Element Research Evaluation Group].”
It seems possible, then, that Livelsberger was not spun up by a public Internet discussion of Chinese gravitics. The public discussion began more recently.
Mothership
Recently, for instance, a Chinese drone “mothership” was spotted (and photographed) on the grounds of an airshow in November 2024. It looked conventional, except for its size; but it did appear to be a mothership.
Also in November, China opened “a hypergravity facility called CHIEF (Centrifugal Hypergravity and Interdisciplinary Experiment Facility). It can produce 1,900 g-t, which is a gravity that is 1,900 times more than at Earth’s surface. This surpasses the 1,200 g-t facility of the US Army Corps of Engineers, making CHIEF the world’s most powerful hypergravity research station.”
This is not to discount other odd items that pop up. For example, in April, U.S. sources reported that Charles Buhler, NASA veteran and co-founder of the space company Exodus Propulsion Technologies, “told the website The Debrief that they’ve created a drive powered by a ‘New Force’ outside our current known laws of physics, giving the propellant-less drive enough boost to overcome gravity.”
There had, however, been one long-running Chinese antigravity thread running on discussion boards; but it did not involve aircraft. This was the case of Dr. Ning Li.
As an emigre research scientist at the Center for Space Plasma and Aeronomic Research, University of Alabama in Huntsville, Li published a number of interesting papers on antigravity research. In 1999, she formed the firm AC Gravity LLC and won government contracts, and her research became classified.
She also disappeared from public life and proved unreachable, this after the Chinese government tried (and failed) to recruit her for antigravity research back in the People’s Republic of China.
However, Dr Li “was never actually a missing person, and [her son] was unaware of the millions of people who claimed otherwise in various articles and video presentations.” A newspaper reporter who tracked down her son in 2023 learned that she had been struck by a car in 2014 and suffered “permanent brain damage that resulted in Alzheimer’s shortly thereafter.” Li died in 2021.
So the American government had been buying her antigravity research and Red China had also been interested in her discoveries. This is as close as public information will take us to Livelsberger’s gravitic-drone claims.
Second claim
But Livelsberger’s email contains two claims, not one. Livelsberger claimed to have witnessed and participated in specific Afghanistan incidents which he says were war crimes. The UN is investigating while the U.S. denies.
At a security website, Davi Ottenheimer suggests that Livelsberger’s case fits a definite counterintelligence pattern, that of contaminating good information with bad information to discredit reports. “He gave both direct observations of war crimes, as well as exotic claims he was being fed.” In cases like these, “distinguishing between operational reality and introduced disinformation remains essential.”
How Livelsberger might have been fed the exotic claims is a different speculation. He did have “an active TS/SCI with UAP USAP access,” opening an avenue to disinformation. That’s one way to dispose of the drone comments.
One can also resort to Occam’s razor.
For instance, China’s new hypergravity machine will have six chambers for experimentation. And in 2022, Chinese scientists built an “artificial moon” with “powerful magnetic fields inside a 2-foot-diameter vacuum chamber to make gravity ‘disappear.’ ”
The technological gap between such small but expensive experiments with gravity and the flight of gravitic aircraft is so wide, one has to ask why the owners of existing and operating gravitic drones would walk backwards to buy, build and experiment with puny toys such as hypergravity machines and artificial moons.
We might settle for government disclosures or even denials, but these have not been forthcoming…yet. □
James Roth works for a major defense contractor in Virginia.
